I thought perhaps I would give another target for people to throw barbs at.
Here are my thoughts ~ and I stress these are my thoughts and no one else has to like, dislike or even read them.
It doesn't matter in the least to me what someone does at a gathering, with their log book, how they collect images. For me this isn't a competition (if it were I'd be dead last!) and what anyone else does, does not affect me, unless they are destroying letterboxes. I letterbox for my own personal reasons in my own personal way. Every one of us does the same. As long as I am happy with my logbook, how you filled yours really isn't my concern.
The bottom line is that these are ink images on paper. They are delightful little things to find and collect, but they are impermanent and in the grand scheme, minuscule in importance.
I know it is a futile wish, but I still do wish that we as a group could allow one another to enjoy this hobby in our own way, without feeling a need to attack and insult. While some may enjoy the sport of that, it does hurt people's feelings and turns them away. But then, perhaps that is what some people would prefer.
So, once again ~ just my thoughts and opinions. Attack away.
~Memlili
---------------------------------
Do you Yahoo!?
New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages!
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Logbooks without owners at gatherings
11 messages in this thread |
Started on 2004-07-27
Logbooks without owners at gatherings
From: Mary Ellen Martel (memlili54@yahoo.com) |
Date: 2004-07-27 09:22:15 UTC-07:00
Re: Logbooks without owners at gatherings
From: SpringChick (springchick@letterbox-mi.com) |
Date: 2004-07-27 16:51:36 UTC
Yes, in theory I would agree with most of what you said -- I don't
care how you count your stamps or fill your log book, heck for all I
care, you can (as PI says in his most recent anecdote) bring your
log book to the local stamp shop and fill the darn thing with images
from there. But theory isn't always practical and there are a
couple things that don't sit right with me.
As a letterboxer attending a gathering, perhaps travelling many
miles to get there, I think it is reasonable for me to expect that
one of the perks of my effort for going, besides meeting all the
cool letterboxing people who are made to look like tyrants on the
list, is that I will be privy to event stamps and boxes that are
unique to that gathering, reserved for people who attend the
gathering. Sure, after the gathering, many find permanent homes in
other parts of the country, but that initial unveiling and
collecting of event stamps and boxes is in my opinion reserved for
people who are attending.
And perhaps it all seems innocent enough when it is one person
requesting that their log book tag along, but it sets a precedent
and before you know it, a trend starts and new members, who don't
know the history and don't know that is not really how the game is
played make it common practice because they are just following
example... and on it goes.
That said, I am a bit befuddled. So many times list members have
accused some here of being "elite" and not sharing experience and
information with newer members. There are constant gripes about
the "unwritten rules" and how is one supposed to learn these if they
are not written anywhere? But then when one of those accused of
being "elitist" responds to a post that goes against one of
the "unwritten rules" in hopes that people will actually "get it"
they are criticized for not being nice and the cry becomes, "let's
just all play our own way."
You people need to make up your mind.
SpringChick
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, Mary Ellen Martel
wrote:
> I thought perhaps I would give another target for people to throw
barbs at.
>
> Here are my thoughts ~ and I stress these are my thoughts and no
one else has to like, dislike or even read them.
>
> It doesn't matter in the least to me what someone does at a
gathering, with their log book, how they collect images. For me
this isn't a competition (if it were I'd be dead last!) and what
anyone else does, does not affect me, unless they are destroying
letterboxes. I letterbox for my own personal reasons in my own
personal way. Every one of us does the same. As long as I am happy
with my logbook, how you filled yours really isn't my concern.
>
> The bottom line is that these are ink images on paper. They are
delightful little things to find and collect, but they are
impermanent and in the grand scheme, minuscule in importance.
>
> I know it is a futile wish, but I still do wish that we as a group
could allow one another to enjoy this hobby in our own way, without
feeling a need to attack and insult. While some may enjoy the sport
of that, it does hurt people's feelings and turns them away. But
then, perhaps that is what some people would prefer.
>
> So, once again ~ just my thoughts and opinions. Attack away.
>
> ~Memlili
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Do you Yahoo!?
> New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages!
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
care how you count your stamps or fill your log book, heck for all I
care, you can (as PI says in his most recent anecdote) bring your
log book to the local stamp shop and fill the darn thing with images
from there. But theory isn't always practical and there are a
couple things that don't sit right with me.
As a letterboxer attending a gathering, perhaps travelling many
miles to get there, I think it is reasonable for me to expect that
one of the perks of my effort for going, besides meeting all the
cool letterboxing people who are made to look like tyrants on the
list, is that I will be privy to event stamps and boxes that are
unique to that gathering, reserved for people who attend the
gathering. Sure, after the gathering, many find permanent homes in
other parts of the country, but that initial unveiling and
collecting of event stamps and boxes is in my opinion reserved for
people who are attending.
And perhaps it all seems innocent enough when it is one person
requesting that their log book tag along, but it sets a precedent
and before you know it, a trend starts and new members, who don't
know the history and don't know that is not really how the game is
played make it common practice because they are just following
example... and on it goes.
That said, I am a bit befuddled. So many times list members have
accused some here of being "elite" and not sharing experience and
information with newer members. There are constant gripes about
the "unwritten rules" and how is one supposed to learn these if they
are not written anywhere? But then when one of those accused of
being "elitist" responds to a post that goes against one of
the "unwritten rules" in hopes that people will actually "get it"
they are criticized for not being nice and the cry becomes, "let's
just all play our own way."
You people need to make up your mind.
SpringChick
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, Mary Ellen Martel
> I thought perhaps I would give another target for people to throw
barbs at.
>
> Here are my thoughts ~ and I stress these are my thoughts and no
one else has to like, dislike or even read them.
>
> It doesn't matter in the least to me what someone does at a
gathering, with their log book, how they collect images. For me
this isn't a competition (if it were I'd be dead last!) and what
anyone else does, does not affect me, unless they are destroying
letterboxes. I letterbox for my own personal reasons in my own
personal way. Every one of us does the same. As long as I am happy
with my logbook, how you filled yours really isn't my concern.
>
> The bottom line is that these are ink images on paper. They are
delightful little things to find and collect, but they are
impermanent and in the grand scheme, minuscule in importance.
>
> I know it is a futile wish, but I still do wish that we as a group
could allow one another to enjoy this hobby in our own way, without
feeling a need to attack and insult. While some may enjoy the sport
of that, it does hurt people's feelings and turns them away. But
then, perhaps that is what some people would prefer.
>
> So, once again ~ just my thoughts and opinions. Attack away.
>
> ~Memlili
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Do you Yahoo!?
> New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages!
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: Logbooks without owners at gatherings
From: funhog1 (funhog@pacifier.com) |
Date: 2004-07-27 17:09:24 UTC
It would seem that the owners of the individual event boxes would need to be
consulted regarding the propriety of stamping into an ownerless logbook. The
following is directly from the LbNA site. www.letterboxing.org/faq
"Are There any Rules?
The old cliche is that the only rule is that there are no rules. That is true for the art of
letterboxing in many senses, although there is some common sense etiquette:
Respect the land when hunting boxes and when hiding them. Don't place a box that
requires people to tramp through sensitive wildlife or plant habitat to find it, for
example. Warn hunters of possible hazards in the area of the box in your clue notes.
Use common sense. If you have any doubts, ask the land owner or manager, or simply
choose another location for your activities. Adopt the Leave No Trace principles of
outdoor etiquette. Remember, some lands have restrictions on land use; know them
and observe them.
Don't publish or re-transmit other peoples' clues or stamp images without their
permission.
Repack and hide the thing as well or better than it was when you found it, in the
exact place you found it. After finding it, try to be discreet when stamping up and re-
hiding it, as if you were hiding your own box for the first time. When I find one, I
usually carry it deeper into the woods to stamp up, so as to not give away its location
to any passerby's, then put it back when I am done.
Do not post clue solutions on the Internet or discuss how to solve clues in public fora.
That spoils the fun for everyone else.
Of course, do not violate the laws, rules, customs, and people's or property rights
wherever you conduct any activities.
Should I Keep My Stamps Secret?
It is Dartmoor tradition to keep your personal stamp secret, however I'm probably just
about the only North American who follows this tradition these days, most people
like to exchange personal images when they meet. Some people keep the box
stamps secret and but most do not. I keep them secret because it adds mystery to the
game, but it is up to you. Never scan other peoples' stamps you have found and post
them to the Internet without the hiders' permission. Of course, showing your stamp
book at a gathering in a pub is part of the fun ... :-)"
Funhog
consulted regarding the propriety of stamping into an ownerless logbook. The
following is directly from the LbNA site. www.letterboxing.org/faq
"Are There any Rules?
The old cliche is that the only rule is that there are no rules. That is true for the art of
letterboxing in many senses, although there is some common sense etiquette:
Respect the land when hunting boxes and when hiding them. Don't place a box that
requires people to tramp through sensitive wildlife or plant habitat to find it, for
example. Warn hunters of possible hazards in the area of the box in your clue notes.
Use common sense. If you have any doubts, ask the land owner or manager, or simply
choose another location for your activities. Adopt the Leave No Trace principles of
outdoor etiquette. Remember, some lands have restrictions on land use; know them
and observe them.
Don't publish or re-transmit other peoples' clues or stamp images without their
permission.
Repack and hide the thing as well or better than it was when you found it, in the
exact place you found it. After finding it, try to be discreet when stamping up and re-
hiding it, as if you were hiding your own box for the first time. When I find one, I
usually carry it deeper into the woods to stamp up, so as to not give away its location
to any passerby's, then put it back when I am done.
Do not post clue solutions on the Internet or discuss how to solve clues in public fora.
That spoils the fun for everyone else.
Of course, do not violate the laws, rules, customs, and people's or property rights
wherever you conduct any activities.
Should I Keep My Stamps Secret?
It is Dartmoor tradition to keep your personal stamp secret, however I'm probably just
about the only North American who follows this tradition these days, most people
like to exchange personal images when they meet. Some people keep the box
stamps secret and but most do not. I keep them secret because it adds mystery to the
game, but it is up to you. Never scan other peoples' stamps you have found and post
them to the Internet without the hiders' permission. Of course, showing your stamp
book at a gathering in a pub is part of the fun ... :-)"
Funhog
Re: Logbooks without owners at gatherings
From: quiet_place (letterbox@quietplace.ws) |
Date: 2004-07-27 17:14:41 UTC
Eeeps!:)
The problem with "you people" making up their/our minds is that
there is no such thing as "you people". There is no us or them....
just a bunch of I's. There is no way to "all agree". By all means,
everyone has a right to say what they think is correct or fair !and
they SHOULD), but in the end we all have to march to our own drum.
And though I personally don't think I should have stamp images that
I didn't find, I understand why others disagree under certain
circumstances.
As for a massive campaign for everyone's log to hitch-hike to
events... it takes two to tango and not many people will be willing
to do such favors.
This will all balance out in the end.
-QP
The problem with "you people" making up their/our minds is that
there is no such thing as "you people". There is no us or them....
just a bunch of I's. There is no way to "all agree". By all means,
everyone has a right to say what they think is correct or fair !and
they SHOULD), but in the end we all have to march to our own drum.
And though I personally don't think I should have stamp images that
I didn't find, I understand why others disagree under certain
circumstances.
As for a massive campaign for everyone's log to hitch-hike to
events... it takes two to tango and not many people will be willing
to do such favors.
This will all balance out in the end.
-QP
Re: Logbooks without owners at gatherings
From: rscarpen (RiskyNil@pocketmail.com) |
Date: 2004-07-27 18:06:58 UTC
I once wrote:
Letterboxing, traditionally, is said to 'have no rules'a
misconception at best. Letterboxing has no central governing body to
establish an official set of rules, but guidelines and conventions
have been established to help keep the peace and orderas with any
hobby with thousands of participating members. Some guidelines and
conventions have even become so sacred that they have morphed into
rules, though no method exists to enforce them. In a nutshell,
letterboxing does have rules, guidelines, and conventions, and those
that choose to break them tend to find themselves unliked,
ostracized, and alone.
So it's not really suprising there would be so much angst against
logbooks without owners at events. That's never been how things
worked before, and when you try to change the rules, it's bound to
cause problems. *shrug*
-- Ryan
Letterboxing, traditionally, is said to 'have no rules'a
misconception at best. Letterboxing has no central governing body to
establish an official set of rules, but guidelines and conventions
have been established to help keep the peace and orderas with any
hobby with thousands of participating members. Some guidelines and
conventions have even become so sacred that they have morphed into
rules, though no method exists to enforce them. In a nutshell,
letterboxing does have rules, guidelines, and conventions, and those
that choose to break them tend to find themselves unliked,
ostracized, and alone.
So it's not really suprising there would be so much angst against
logbooks without owners at events. That's never been how things
worked before, and when you try to change the rules, it's bound to
cause problems. *shrug*
-- Ryan
Re: Logbooks without owners at gatherings
From: lynnieth2003 (lynnieth2003@yahoo.com) |
Date: 2004-07-27 18:38:34 UTC
QP-
Agree wholeheartedly. The biggest issue is that whomever started
this topic of conversation is going to have one heck of a time
finding someone to take his/her logbook to the gathering in the
first place. Should they find someone, is there
a) anyone who's going to notice that someone is stamping into 2
logbooks
b) anyone that's going to stop them.
While I would never send my book in my place- I personally want to
earn my stamps myself, gather them myself- that is the fun of it
after all for me. If person x & person y make a deal to do such a
thing, none of us can stop them. BUT, I doubt many of us are going
to drag extra logbooks with us. So, I think that all in all this
conversation is somewhat moot.
The Family
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "quiet_place"
wrote:
> Eeeps!:)
>
> The problem with "you people" making up their/our minds is that
> there is no such thing as "you people". There is no us or
them....
> just a bunch of I's. There is no way to "all agree". By all
means,
> everyone has a right to say what they think is correct or fair !
and
> they SHOULD), but in the end we all have to march to our own drum.
>
> And though I personally don't think I should have stamp images
that
> I didn't find, I understand why others disagree under certain
> circumstances.
>
> As for a massive campaign for everyone's log to hitch-hike to
> events... it takes two to tango and not many people will be
willing
> to do such favors.
>
> This will all balance out in the end.
>
> -QP
Agree wholeheartedly. The biggest issue is that whomever started
this topic of conversation is going to have one heck of a time
finding someone to take his/her logbook to the gathering in the
first place. Should they find someone, is there
a) anyone who's going to notice that someone is stamping into 2
logbooks
b) anyone that's going to stop them.
While I would never send my book in my place- I personally want to
earn my stamps myself, gather them myself- that is the fun of it
after all for me. If person x & person y make a deal to do such a
thing, none of us can stop them. BUT, I doubt many of us are going
to drag extra logbooks with us. So, I think that all in all this
conversation is somewhat moot.
The Family
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "quiet_place"
wrote:
> Eeeps!:)
>
> The problem with "you people" making up their/our minds is that
> there is no such thing as "you people". There is no us or
them....
> just a bunch of I's. There is no way to "all agree". By all
means,
> everyone has a right to say what they think is correct or fair !
and
> they SHOULD), but in the end we all have to march to our own drum.
>
> And though I personally don't think I should have stamp images
that
> I didn't find, I understand why others disagree under certain
> circumstances.
>
> As for a massive campaign for everyone's log to hitch-hike to
> events... it takes two to tango and not many people will be
willing
> to do such favors.
>
> This will all balance out in the end.
>
> -QP
Re: [LbNA] Re: Logbooks without owners at gatherings
From: (Rondamp29@aol.com) |
Date: 2004-07-28 03:55:29 UTC-04:00
What if there are reasons a person may not be able to go collect stamps themselves. What if they are in the hospital? What if they are handicapped and can't do the hikes? What if they have a new baby? I can just see so many reasons that a person may have that may not want to share "WHY". I have a nephew who is very ill in the hospital and I am going to bring him some carving materials to help him occupy his time. I have gotten a lot of my nieces and my nephews into letterboxing and carving stamps. It's great! Get's them off the Video games. But my nephew may feel bad that he can't go and personally get stamps and I feel fine about collecting them for him until he can go. Maybe that will help give him something to look forward to? Anyway, just my thoughts on this whole long thread about collecting stamps for others. Maybe we shouldn't judge why some letterboxers may do this for others or letterboxers who may ask others to do it for them!
Snickerdoodle
In a message dated 7/27/2004 2:38:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time, "lynnieth2003" writes:
>QP-
>
>Agree wholeheartedly. The biggest issue is that whomever started
>this topic of conversation is going to have one heck of a time
>finding someone to take his/her logbook to the gathering in the
>first place. Should they find someone, is there
>
>a) anyone who's going to notice that someone is stamping into 2
>logbooks
>
>b) anyone that's going to stop them.
>
>While I would never send my book in my place- I personally want to
>earn my stamps myself, gather them myself- that is the fun of it
>after all for me. If person x & person y make a deal to do such a
>thing, none of us can stop them. BUT, I doubt many of us are going
>to drag extra logbooks with us. So, I think that all in all this
>conversation is somewhat moot.
>
>The Family
>
>--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "quiet_place"
>wrote:
>> Eeeps!:)
>>
>> The problem with "you people" making up their/our minds is that
>> there is no such thing as "you people". There is no us or
>them....
>> just a bunch of I's. There is no way to "all agree". By all
>means,
>> everyone has a right to say what they think is correct or fair !
>and
>> they SHOULD), but in the end we all have to march to our own drum.
>>
>> And though I personally don't think I should have stamp images
>that
>> I didn't find, I understand why others disagree under certain
>> circumstances.
>>
>> As for a massive campaign for everyone's log to hitch-hike to
>> events... it takes two to tango and not many people will be
>willing
>> to do such favors.
>>
>> This will all balance out in the end.
>>
>> -QP
>
>
>
>
>
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
Snickerdoodle
In a message dated 7/27/2004 2:38:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time, "lynnieth2003"
>QP-
>
>Agree wholeheartedly. The biggest issue is that whomever started
>this topic of conversation is going to have one heck of a time
>finding someone to take his/her logbook to the gathering in the
>first place. Should they find someone, is there
>
>a) anyone who's going to notice that someone is stamping into 2
>logbooks
>
>b) anyone that's going to stop them.
>
>While I would never send my book in my place- I personally want to
>earn my stamps myself, gather them myself- that is the fun of it
>after all for me. If person x & person y make a deal to do such a
>thing, none of us can stop them. BUT, I doubt many of us are going
>to drag extra logbooks with us. So, I think that all in all this
>conversation is somewhat moot.
>
>The Family
>
>--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "quiet_place"
>wrote:
>> Eeeps!:)
>>
>> The problem with "you people" making up their/our minds is that
>> there is no such thing as "you people". There is no us or
>them....
>> just a bunch of I's. There is no way to "all agree". By all
>means,
>> everyone has a right to say what they think is correct or fair !
>and
>> they SHOULD), but in the end we all have to march to our own drum.
>>
>> And though I personally don't think I should have stamp images
>that
>> I didn't find, I understand why others disagree under certain
>> circumstances.
>>
>> As for a massive campaign for everyone's log to hitch-hike to
>> events... it takes two to tango and not many people will be
>willing
>> to do such favors.
>>
>> This will all balance out in the end.
>>
>> -QP
>
>
>
>
>
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
[LbNA] Re: Logbooks without owners at gatherings
From: SpringChick (springchick@letterbox-mi.com) |
Date: 2004-07-28 09:50:52 UTC
I don't think anyone was being judged on the reason they couldn't
attend the gathering. Letterbox gatherings are held in various
parts of the country throughout the year. They are primarily for
people from that specific area of the country, although anyone can
come to the gathering and people often do travel if they want to go
bad enough or it fits into their vacation plans, and guests from
afar usually add a special flavor to a gathering.
If you can't go to a particluar gathering, whether it is because you
live too far or because you are on your deathbed, it's not a big
deal -- you just wait for another one or find one closer to where
you live or organize one in your area.
Typically, in the past (if anyone other than the "ornery oldies"
really cares about how this game has been historically played),
event stamps and boxes were meant for people who actually attended
the gathering, just as box stamps are meant for people who actually
go out on the trail and hike to a box.
SpringChick
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, Rondamp29@a... wrote:
> What if there are reasons a person may not be able to go
collect stamps themselves. What if they are in the hospital? What if
they are handicapped and can't do the hikes? What if they have a new
baby? I can just see so many reasons that a person may have that may
not want to share "WHY". I have a nephew who is very ill in the
hospital and I am going to bring him some carving materials to help
him occupy his time. I have gotten a lot of my nieces and my nephews
into letterboxing and carving stamps. It's great! Get's them off the
Video games. But my nephew may feel bad that he can't go and
personally get stamps and I feel fine about collecting them for him
until he can go. Maybe that will help give him something to look
forward to? Anyway, just my thoughts on this whole long thread about
collecting stamps for others. Maybe we shouldn't judge why some
letterboxers may do this for others or letterboxers who may ask
others to do it for them!
>
> Snickerdoodle
>
>
>
>
> In a message dated 7/27/2004 2:38:34 PM Eastern Daylight
Time, "lynnieth2003" writes:
>
> >QP-
> >
> >Agree wholeheartedly. The biggest issue is that whomever started
> >this topic of conversation is going to have one heck of a time
> >finding someone to take his/her logbook to the gathering in the
> >first place. Should they find someone, is there
> >
> >a) anyone who's going to notice that someone is stamping into 2
> >logbooks
> >
> >b) anyone that's going to stop them.
> >
> >While I would never send my book in my place- I personally want
to
> >earn my stamps myself, gather them myself- that is the fun of it
> >after all for me. If person x & person y make a deal to do such
a
> >thing, none of us can stop them. BUT, I doubt many of us are
going
> >to drag extra logbooks with us. So, I think that all in all this
> >conversation is somewhat moot.
> >
> >The Family
> >
> >--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "quiet_place"
> >wrote:
> >> Eeeps!:)
> >>
> >> The problem with "you people" making up their/our minds is that
> >> there is no such thing as "you people". There is no us or
> >them....
> >> just a bunch of I's. There is no way to "all agree". By all
> >means,
> >> everyone has a right to say what they think is correct or fair !
> >and
> >> they SHOULD), but in the end we all have to march to our own
drum.
> >>
> >> And though I personally don't think I should have stamp images
> >that
> >> I didn't find, I understand why others disagree under certain
> >> circumstances.
> >>
> >> As for a massive campaign for everyone's log to hitch-hike to
> >> events... it takes two to tango and not many people will be
> >willing
> >> to do such favors.
> >>
> >> This will all balance out in the end.
> >>
> >> -QP
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
attend the gathering. Letterbox gatherings are held in various
parts of the country throughout the year. They are primarily for
people from that specific area of the country, although anyone can
come to the gathering and people often do travel if they want to go
bad enough or it fits into their vacation plans, and guests from
afar usually add a special flavor to a gathering.
If you can't go to a particluar gathering, whether it is because you
live too far or because you are on your deathbed, it's not a big
deal -- you just wait for another one or find one closer to where
you live or organize one in your area.
Typically, in the past (if anyone other than the "ornery oldies"
really cares about how this game has been historically played),
event stamps and boxes were meant for people who actually attended
the gathering, just as box stamps are meant for people who actually
go out on the trail and hike to a box.
SpringChick
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, Rondamp29@a... wrote:
> What if there are reasons a person may not be able to go
collect stamps themselves. What if they are in the hospital? What if
they are handicapped and can't do the hikes? What if they have a new
baby? I can just see so many reasons that a person may have that may
not want to share "WHY". I have a nephew who is very ill in the
hospital and I am going to bring him some carving materials to help
him occupy his time. I have gotten a lot of my nieces and my nephews
into letterboxing and carving stamps. It's great! Get's them off the
Video games. But my nephew may feel bad that he can't go and
personally get stamps and I feel fine about collecting them for him
until he can go. Maybe that will help give him something to look
forward to? Anyway, just my thoughts on this whole long thread about
collecting stamps for others. Maybe we shouldn't judge why some
letterboxers may do this for others or letterboxers who may ask
others to do it for them!
>
> Snickerdoodle
>
>
>
>
> In a message dated 7/27/2004 2:38:34 PM Eastern Daylight
Time, "lynnieth2003"
>
> >QP-
> >
> >Agree wholeheartedly. The biggest issue is that whomever started
> >this topic of conversation is going to have one heck of a time
> >finding someone to take his/her logbook to the gathering in the
> >first place. Should they find someone, is there
> >
> >a) anyone who's going to notice that someone is stamping into 2
> >logbooks
> >
> >b) anyone that's going to stop them.
> >
> >While I would never send my book in my place- I personally want
to
> >earn my stamps myself, gather them myself- that is the fun of it
> >after all for me. If person x & person y make a deal to do such
a
> >thing, none of us can stop them. BUT, I doubt many of us are
going
> >to drag extra logbooks with us. So, I think that all in all this
> >conversation is somewhat moot.
> >
> >The Family
> >
> >--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "quiet_place"
> >wrote:
> >> Eeeps!:)
> >>
> >> The problem with "you people" making up their/our minds is that
> >> there is no such thing as "you people". There is no us or
> >them....
> >> just a bunch of I's. There is no way to "all agree". By all
> >means,
> >> everyone has a right to say what they think is correct or fair !
> >and
> >> they SHOULD), but in the end we all have to march to our own
drum.
> >>
> >> And though I personally don't think I should have stamp images
> >that
> >> I didn't find, I understand why others disagree under certain
> >> circumstances.
> >>
> >> As for a massive campaign for everyone's log to hitch-hike to
> >> events... it takes two to tango and not many people will be
> >willing
> >> to do such favors.
> >>
> >> This will all balance out in the end.
> >>
> >> -QP
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
[LbNA] Re: Logbooks without owners at gatherings
From: Tiger Moses (tigermoses@houston.rr.com) |
Date: 2004-07-28 05:31:11 UTC-05:00
I guess I have an opinion too.
Its just a stamp on a piece of paper!!!!!
If you don't want to stamp someone's book,
say "Sorry, I don't want to play with you!"
Next thing you know, someone will want Wanda audited for her F5000!
Its just a stamp on a piece of paper!!!!!
If you don't want to stamp someone's book,
say "Sorry, I don't want to play with you!"
Next thing you know, someone will want Wanda audited for her F5000!
Re: Logbooks without owners at gatherings
From: skala_wag (skala_wag@yahoo.com) |
Date: 2004-07-28 14:56:39 UTC
Well said !!! Seems reading the majority of these posts would lead
one to believe letterboxers are an elite, selfish, and arrogant group.
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, Mary Ellen Martel
> I thought perhaps I would give another target for people to throw
barbs at.
>
> Here are my thoughts ~ and I stress these are my thoughts and no
one else has to like, dislike or even read them.
>
> It doesn't matter in the least to me what someone does at a
gathering, with their log book, how they collect images. For me this
isn't a competition (if it were I'd be dead last!) and what anyone
else does, does not affect me, unless they are destroying
letterboxes. I letterbox for my own personal reasons in my own
personal way. Every one of us does the same. As long as I am happy
with my logbook, how you filled yours really isn't my concern.
>
> The bottom line is that these are ink images on paper. They are
delightful little things to find and collect, but they are
impermanent and in the grand scheme, minuscule in importance.
>
> I know it is a futile wish, but I still do wish that we as a group
could allow one another to enjoy this hobby in our own way, without
feeling a need to attack and insult. While some may enjoy the sport
of that, it does hurt people's feelings and turns them away. But
then, perhaps that is what some people would prefer.
>
> So, once again ~ just my thoughts and opinions. Attack away.
>
> ~Memlili
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Do you Yahoo!?
> New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages!
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[LbNA] Re: Logbooks without owners at gatherings
From: The Family (lynnieth2003@yahoo.com) |
Date: 2004-07-28 18:27:18 UTC
Right, but like I said before Snickerdoodle, that's between you &
your nephew. No one's going to stop you from collecting stamps for
him, but I doubt you'd go around collecting even more logbooks for
other people to take along- although I suppose it's within your
rights to do so.
As someone mentioned before, there are not hard & fast rules in
letterboxing so what makes you happy, makes you happy & we each
count our finds & plants in our own ways. Personally, I count it
when I get out there myself & do it. But to each their own!
Yes, there ARE lots of reasons that a person is unable to go boxing-
for example my husband is in the military & currently overseas. We
are boxing without him. Our family find total may be rising, but
HIS total is not. If I can't box with the family my total won't go
up either. I wouldn't count a box I didn't go out & personally
find, but that's just my thing. If you choose to count differently,
there is no one who's going to stop you.
Box on & have fun!
The Family :)
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, Rondamp29@a... wrote:
> What if there are reasons a person may not be able to go
collect stamps themselves. What if they are in the hospital? What if
they are handicapped and can't do the hikes? What if they have a new
baby? I can just see so many reasons that a person may have that may
not want to share "WHY". I have a nephew who is very ill in the
hospital and I am going to bring him some carving materials to help
him occupy his time. I have gotten a lot of my nieces and my nephews
into letterboxing and carving stamps. It's great! Get's them off the
Video games. But my nephew may feel bad that he can't go and
personally get stamps and I feel fine about collecting them for him
until he can go. Maybe that will help give him something to look
forward to? Anyway, just my thoughts on this whole long thread about
collecting stamps for others. Maybe we shouldn't judge why some
letterboxers may do this for others or letterboxers who may ask
others to do it for them!
>
> Snickerdoodle
>
>
>
>
> In a message dated 7/27/2004 2:38:34 PM Eastern Daylight
Time, "lynnieth2003" writes:
>
> >QP-
> >
> >Agree wholeheartedly. The biggest issue is that whomever started
> >this topic of conversation is going to have one heck of a time
> >finding someone to take his/her logbook to the gathering in the
> >first place. Should they find someone, is there
> >
> >a) anyone who's going to notice that someone is stamping into 2
> >logbooks
> >
> >b) anyone that's going to stop them.
> >
> >While I would never send my book in my place- I personally want
to
> >earn my stamps myself, gather them myself- that is the fun of it
> >after all for me. If person x & person y make a deal to do such
a
> >thing, none of us can stop them. BUT, I doubt many of us are
going
> >to drag extra logbooks with us. So, I think that all in all this
> >conversation is somewhat moot.
> >
> >The Family
> >
> >--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "quiet_place"
> >wrote:
> >> Eeeps!:)
> >>
> >> The problem with "you people" making up their/our minds is that
> >> there is no such thing as "you people". There is no us or
> >them....
> >> just a bunch of I's. There is no way to "all agree". By all
> >means,
> >> everyone has a right to say what they think is correct or fair !
> >and
> >> they SHOULD), but in the end we all have to march to our own
drum.
> >>
> >> And though I personally don't think I should have stamp images
> >that
> >> I didn't find, I understand why others disagree under certain
> >> circumstances.
> >>
> >> As for a massive campaign for everyone's log to hitch-hike to
> >> events... it takes two to tango and not many people will be
> >willing
> >> to do such favors.
> >>
> >> This will all balance out in the end.
> >>
> >> -QP
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
your nephew. No one's going to stop you from collecting stamps for
him, but I doubt you'd go around collecting even more logbooks for
other people to take along- although I suppose it's within your
rights to do so.
As someone mentioned before, there are not hard & fast rules in
letterboxing so what makes you happy, makes you happy & we each
count our finds & plants in our own ways. Personally, I count it
when I get out there myself & do it. But to each their own!
Yes, there ARE lots of reasons that a person is unable to go boxing-
for example my husband is in the military & currently overseas. We
are boxing without him. Our family find total may be rising, but
HIS total is not. If I can't box with the family my total won't go
up either. I wouldn't count a box I didn't go out & personally
find, but that's just my thing. If you choose to count differently,
there is no one who's going to stop you.
Box on & have fun!
The Family :)
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, Rondamp29@a... wrote:
> What if there are reasons a person may not be able to go
collect stamps themselves. What if they are in the hospital? What if
they are handicapped and can't do the hikes? What if they have a new
baby? I can just see so many reasons that a person may have that may
not want to share "WHY". I have a nephew who is very ill in the
hospital and I am going to bring him some carving materials to help
him occupy his time. I have gotten a lot of my nieces and my nephews
into letterboxing and carving stamps. It's great! Get's them off the
Video games. But my nephew may feel bad that he can't go and
personally get stamps and I feel fine about collecting them for him
until he can go. Maybe that will help give him something to look
forward to? Anyway, just my thoughts on this whole long thread about
collecting stamps for others. Maybe we shouldn't judge why some
letterboxers may do this for others or letterboxers who may ask
others to do it for them!
>
> Snickerdoodle
>
>
>
>
> In a message dated 7/27/2004 2:38:34 PM Eastern Daylight
Time, "lynnieth2003"
>
> >QP-
> >
> >Agree wholeheartedly. The biggest issue is that whomever started
> >this topic of conversation is going to have one heck of a time
> >finding someone to take his/her logbook to the gathering in the
> >first place. Should they find someone, is there
> >
> >a) anyone who's going to notice that someone is stamping into 2
> >logbooks
> >
> >b) anyone that's going to stop them.
> >
> >While I would never send my book in my place- I personally want
to
> >earn my stamps myself, gather them myself- that is the fun of it
> >after all for me. If person x & person y make a deal to do such
a
> >thing, none of us can stop them. BUT, I doubt many of us are
going
> >to drag extra logbooks with us. So, I think that all in all this
> >conversation is somewhat moot.
> >
> >The Family
> >
> >--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "quiet_place"
> >wrote:
> >> Eeeps!:)
> >>
> >> The problem with "you people" making up their/our minds is that
> >> there is no such thing as "you people". There is no us or
> >them....
> >> just a bunch of I's. There is no way to "all agree". By all
> >means,
> >> everyone has a right to say what they think is correct or fair !
> >and
> >> they SHOULD), but in the end we all have to march to our own
drum.
> >>
> >> And though I personally don't think I should have stamp images
> >that
> >> I didn't find, I understand why others disagree under certain
> >> circumstances.
> >>
> >> As for a massive campaign for everyone's log to hitch-hike to
> >> events... it takes two to tango and not many people will be
> >willing
> >> to do such favors.
> >>
> >> This will all balance out in the end.
> >>
> >> -QP
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >